Don't buy a Mac.
If you're not a regular reader of this blog, please understand the following:
- I'm a life long fan of Apple. I started on the Apple II platform and started my subscription to MacUser magazine when I was in the fifth grade.
- I derive my living from the Mac platform as the sysadmin for a Mac-based ad agency.
- I can't stand Windows for anything other than gaming.
In summary, I'm your typical Mac nerd. I love Apple and I love Macs. This leads to an obvious question, "Why would a Mac user publicly warn people against Apple products?" At first, the answer is elusive. Apple seems to be executing on all cylinders. Mac OS X is lauded as a technical and usability marvel. Apple's just completed a very rapid and very beneficial transition to a new CPU architecture. Macs have never been more cost competitive than they are right now. By all appearances, now is the perfect time to switch. I've been singing that song for 18 months.
Sadly, underneath that shiny bit of PR buzz, the execution is lacking. Actually, lacking is a poor choice of words. The execution is terrible. I mentioned I work for an ad agency. That agency is 100% Mac based. From creative to media, from account service to accounting there's a Mac on every desk and no Windows PCs in sight. We're somewhat well known for our tendency to stay ahead of the curve in terms of technology adoption. In fact, we're known enough that Apple even did a success story on us for apple.com.
As a result, we've been very aggressive in deploying Intel Macs. Our company is growing at an unprecedented rate and we're also in the middle of retiring some older machines. Most of our Intel Macs are MacBooks, but we have iMacs, minis and MacBook Pros as well. I'd like to offer you a brief summary of our experiences:
90% of our MacBooks have experienced at least one of the following issues:
- Random, frequent shutdowns. Machines generally have to be out for repair for days or even weeks because the needed parts on are backorder. This issue occurs in over 40% of our machines and many have to go back for additional service on the same issue.
- No video on startup unless the user resets PRAM. Neither Apple Authorized Service Providers, nor Apple support has been able to offer any suggestion aside from "reseat the RAM."
- Top case-discoloration. A replacement top-case fixes it, but it's still downtime for the user.
30% of our Intel iMacs have had logic board failures. One machine had to go back 4 times. Thankfully the Core 2 iMacs are, so far, functioning perfectly.
No Mac minis have had any issues at all. We have quite a few running as the backend of a presentation system, so this is encouraging.
Our MacBook Pros have been solid, at least in terms or hardware. Software reliability is another story.
The people in our company with MacBook Pros are executives. They make frequent client presentations. These presentations are presented at high resolutions and often contain HD video. Our presentation platform is Keynote. Because these machines tend to be out of the office more than they are in it, our MacBook Pros are not bound to our Open Directory server. The local users are also admins so that they can change their computer's configuration as needed in a presentation environment.
Our employees are terrific. Even though they have admin access, I don't have issues with people loading unapproved software, fonts or any other items. Some of these users do allow Software Update to do its thing when it prompts them. Like so many other people have witnessed, Mac OS X 10.4.8 is not a well behaved update. This morning I've had three MacBook Pros come in that will not start up. Three.
All our computers are ordered BTO from Apple. We use Apple RAM and Apple installs it. We don't install any of the much famed haxies. The only third party software on these machines is Office 2004. So, why is an OS update killing these machines? As with hardware, Apple's software QA seems to be on vacation.
When you add these issues with the long lead times when ordering Macs, I end up with a situation where we have several employees at any given moment who don't have a computer to work on. That is obviously an incredible drag on productivity. This is the crux of the issue and the reason I'm writing this. If you need your computer, you can't afford to be a Mac user right now. The reliability isn't there.
If the situation does not improve quickly, we'll be forced to add PCs to the mix. They have their own set of support issues, but right now we feel trapped by a single vendor with no options to protect our operations. Our founders and management are all Mac fans, but at some point that's not enough. We're at that point.
In the unlikely event that this post gets linked, or dugg or slashdotted I want to emphasize that the problems here are specific. My rep and engineer at Apple have been nothing but empathetic, supportive and helpful. Apple support has likewise been great, although unable to get repairs done in a timely manner. Also, our local Apple Authorized Service Provider has been incredible, although again part backorders have made for lengthy waits.
I'd love to hear comments from other Mac admins on the subject.


38 Comments:
At 11:10 AM ,
neema said...
I have a MacBook Pro, a Mac Pro and in my immediate circle, there are 6 people that have purchased MacBook Pros. None of these Intel Macs have the problems you've described. Not a single one.
At 11:16 AM ,
Anonymous said...
Mike, your subhead says it all: "Early adoptee." I'm an Apple system tech that's used Apple IIs and Macs since the time where we talked of the OS as "System and Finder." You should know as well as I that Apple's first hardware versions are more likely to have problems. I knew it when I brought a new Blue and White G3, which turned out to have a bad hard drive controller that corrupted the drive after a time. Later B&Ws did not suffer this issue. I knew this when I bought my MacBook. Like some, I had a bad logic board, but now this computer works well. It is really best NOT to adapt early from a business perspective. If you were upgrading from an older Mac base, you still had reliable hardware that probably had 2-3 years useful life on it. The Intel Macs are new, they're untested, and their first versions (like all "rev1" Macs before) will be "iffy." Apple also periodically gets overwhelmed with success, with some quality that suffers briefly while they assess the problems. It typically balances out. Let someone else in the world beta test the new hardware. Wait for a speed bump release, which will be a rev 2 model that will have far fewer issues. I sympathize with you, but no one put a gun to your head in buying untested hardware early. Caveat emptor.
At 11:32 AM ,
Mike McHargue said...
"neema said...
I have a MacBook Pro, a Mac Pro and in my immediate circle, there are 6 people that have purchased MacBook Pros. None of these Intel Macs have the problems you've described. Not a single one."
That's great! I'm truly glad to hear that. The MacBook Pro I use has likewise been problem free. I think we can all agree though that sites like Macintouch and Macfixit report high failure rates with Intel Macs. It's a bad situation.
"anonymous said...
You should know as well as I that Apple's first hardware versions are more likely to have problems."
I'm with you 100%, but help me understand what my options are. We're growing and we have to buy new machines. It's not like I can buy PowerPC Macs from Apple, and since this is a business, a new position *requires* a new computer. We can't just wait to hire until Apple revs the hardware.
At 11:40 AM ,
cfenger said...
My wife's black MacBook is being replaced by Apple. 1st fix was the logic board/heat sink/etc. replacement to address the random shutdowns. Problem resolved. Second issue was colored display lines related to 10.4.7. 10.4.8 is now out and problem is resolved. Third issue was a stiff, poorly functioning trackpad button. Topcase replacement at Apple store actually worsened problem. Apple agreed to give us a new unit. My thoughts? I think this may be the worst Rev A Mac ever in terms of identifiable hardware problems. It certainly has meant lots of downtime for us. However...each of the problems (2 hardware related, one software related) was resolved. Stuff like this does happen, and in this case, it came together en mass to create a uniquely bad user experience (I wince when I think of all the "switchers" whose first experience was on of these units). My personal displeasure was high, but, unlike you, my faith in the product remains unshaken. It will take a lot more than a bad batch of Rev A Macs to dampen my enthusiasm for Apple, or push me to consider changing platforms. I might have titled the article, "You might want to wait a bit before purchasing a MacBook or MacBook Pro."
At 11:44 AM ,
Mike McHargue said...
Man, great feedback.
cfenger: My faith in the platform as an individual user remains unshaken. My faith as a person who's business is reliant on Apple is deeply shaken.
As far as your article title suggestion, it may be a bit long! ;)
At 11:46 AM ,
Reb said...
If you're stuck with purchasing Rev 1 hardware I suggest you investigate leasing during that period. You should be able to negotiate a contract that fits your needs for these 3 month periods. Of course support costs rise, but back-ups and quick substitution of a bad leased machine might help. Purchase options might sweeten the deal.
At 12:05 PM ,
Anonymous said...
For the macbooks.
Go into the display control panel and change the resolution and then change it back again,
you'll never have the issue again until you reset pram again.
It's apparently a weird way OS X Displays handles the Intel GMA 950, reports say that it's been fixed in leopard.
At 12:07 PM ,
Mike McHargue said...
If that Displays trick works, you are officially my hero.
At 12:07 PM ,
shadow9600 said...
" I think we can all agree though that sites like Macintouch and Macfixit report high failure rates with Intel Macs. It's a bad situation."
What is the percentage rate of users who have a problem vs. those who don't? We have no idea, it could be 5%, it could be 15%, unless you know how many systems go out that need to come back in, you can't make that statement truthfully.
Now, of course I'm coming from my own perspective which, much like neema includes myself and several others who have had zero problems with their computers, MacBooks, MacBook Pros and iMac's. I'm really quite surprised that you are reporting a 90% failure rate on your systems. Is it possible that you just received a bad batch of systems? Check the serial numbers and see if there is any correlation there, though I'm sure your rep has already suggested that. Just trying to help.
Keep in mind that when we are in a bad situation, it tends to color your perception of others situations in the same light as yours. What I mean is that if, you are having a bad day, then it's plausible for you to think that everyone else is having a bad day to. When things go wrong we tend to gravitate towards groups which are having similar problems, sometimes this helps solve the problem, sometimes it acts to shade your view of a situation even worse than it already is. In the computing world this is even more pronounced as we don't have all the people which are working just fine without problems creating huge message boards and forums with positive feedback. We only hear the negative.
Just try to keep things in perspective and remember that just because your situation is grim, it doesn't mean that everyone's situation is grim. Most of the time there is something else influencing your situation which you may or may not have any control over, but does not effect others in the same way or at all.
At 12:08 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I am not a system admin, but I perform many of those duties for my school district. I am actually the instructional technology teacher at the middle school. Deployment and reliability are very important to me. I have to support around 200 various Macs (from iBook G3s to iMacs to MacBook Pros, and everything in between) and I just haven't had your problems.
Now, I am not dealing with a lot of power-users or critical projects like you deal with. So we feel free to adopt new technology fairly early on in a software or hardware release.
As I see it, most all of your problems could be avoided by waiting for proven software and hardware. Just stop adopting new tech the minute it comes out. Wait awhile.
Our high school still has a handful of PCs... maybe 40 or 50, and they require more TLC than the over 100 Macs that are deployed there. Problems Imaging, hardware, software, and malware are so much more prominent on the PCs and require so much more time to deal with than entire group of Macs there.
I highly doubt that you are really serious about switching over to PCs, changing your entire design and deployment, because of a few little problems. You seemed to me to be trying to get somebody's attention in a bit of a rant.
You got my attention, but I don't think you will get the attention of anyone that can do anything more to help you. You even noted how people at Apple are empathetic and helpful. Come one, do you think Steve Jobs is going to read this and say, "Oh my gosh, I better get right on that?"
So quite whining... and switch to PCs if you want, or just use your Macs and be more productive and happy.
At 12:16 PM ,
cfenger said...
FYI: I read about and used the "resolution switch" early on, but continued to have problems (ymmv). I have had it confirmed by an Apple product specialist that an upgrade from 10.4.7 to 10.4.8 officially resolves the problem.
Sage comments from shadow9600.
Good post and good discussion all.
At 12:21 PM ,
Mike McHargue said...
"As I see it, most all of your problems could be avoided by waiting for proven software and hardware. Just stop adopting new tech the minute it comes out. Wait awhile."
We're a business. We're hiring new people. We're completely Mac-based. How is waiting an option? I have to buy computers for new employees to use, and every machine Apple sells right now is Rev. A. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I'm genuinely wanting to hear how waiting is a plausible option.
"I highly doubt that you are really serious about switching over to PCs, changing your entire design and deployment, because of a few little problems. You seemed to me to be trying to get somebody's attention in a bit of a rant.
You got my attention, but I don't think you will get the attention of anyone that can do anything more to help you. You even noted how people at Apple are empathetic and helpful. Come one, do you think Steve Jobs is going to read this and say, "Oh my gosh, I better get right on that?""
Adding PCs to our workflow is a real option at this point, if for no other reason than giving us the ability to keep our options open for when situations like this arise.
As far as the statement that I'm posting to get Apple's attention, that's simply not true. We're a large enough customer that just an email gets the attention I need. I decided to blog this because myself and other Mac admins I know with relatively large user bases are having the same problems with Intel Macs and I think Mac based businesses should be aware of the issue. Obviously Apple isn't going to send out a press release saying MacBook reliability is poor! If I was looking for attention, I would have submitted the story on digg. In fact, I'm just trying to share my experience with Mac users.
Thanks for the feedback though. I really do find it encouraging the comments so far encouraging. That's probably because most of the referrals are coming in from MacSurfer, so we're all coming from a similar standpoint.
shadow9600:
Great stuff all around. You're right, no one had hard figures other than Apple. My personal experience, as well as feedback I've gotten from several service providers and Mac sysadmins has led be to believe that my story is not uncommon, but it's still anecdotal.
At 12:25 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Shutdowns of Macbooks are a known issue and have been resolved by Apple (something to do with the heat sink, I believe.) Ditto case discoloration. Video problems are solved with one quick fix. Since you buy all your requipment at once, it is clear that you bought a bunch of MacBooks that were all manufactured at the same time, and hence it is likely they will all suffer the same problems. If you think this warrants replacement with PC's, more power to ya. For your sake, I just hope the designers in your office don't know where you live.
At 12:29 PM ,
Anonymous said...
You bought the first iterations of a brand new architecture. This is a bad business plan. Sounds like you scored on the MacBook Pros, the iMacs, and on the Mac minis, but got bitten by the MacBooks. However, you took a risk in every case depending on brand new hardware designs. You got lucky on three out of four product lines. On the fourth, your bleeding-edge chickens came home to roost.
You shouldn't have expected any different. You would have faced the same exact scenario with brand new architecture offerings from any computer vendor. Apple is far from the worst of the bunch but neither are they immune from the same 'release-soon' competitive pressure faced by all tech providers. And no matter how good your QA, nothing tests a product like the actual marketplace. Perhaps your flaw was believing that Apple somehow walks on water?
As a Mac consultant I have several pro photographer clients who depend on me for advice and configuration on their mission-critical systems, and I have advised them all to hold off on the first generation of Intel Macs.
I would say you should have learned a lesson here, but if your response to this is to now buy bleeding-edge equipment from another manufacturer other than Apple, you will have learned the wrong one.
At 12:30 PM ,
Anonymous said...
"Reset the PRAM" and "reseat the RAM" are very different procedures!
Reset the PRAM is holding down some buttons during boot. Command-option-P-R.
Reseating the RAM involves opening the computer and at least mashing on the RAM to make sure it's plugged in good.
Which do you mean?
At 1:01 PM ,
Mike McHargue said...
"Since you buy all your requipment at once, it is clear that you bought a bunch of MacBooks that were all manufactured at the same time, and hence it is likely they will all suffer the same problems."
I'm not sure where you got that impression. We buy smaller batches of MacBooks each month. Failure rates have been uniform across all production batches we've received.
"For your sake, I just hope the designers in your office don't know where you live."
All our designers are on Power Mac G5s, and as such are happy as can be. Many people in other departments are begging for PCs though.
"I would say you should have learned a lesson here, but if your response to this is to now buy bleeding-edge equipment from another manufacturer other than Apple, you will have learned the wrong one."
And there's the rub. If a company is Mac based, and they want to buy laptops for less than $1,500 from Apple the ONLY choice the the bleeding edge design. Apple is NOT selling iBook G4s! This issue keeps getting commented on, but no one has offered a solution other than wait. How can we wait when new employees need computers?
"Reseating the RAM involves opening the computer and at least mashing on the RAM to make sure it's plugged in good.
Which do you mean?"
Both. Apple's claims the long-term fix is to re-seat the RAM (it hasn't worked once). The temporary fix is to reset the PRAM.
At 2:15 PM ,
Anonymous said...
When does the next "Rev" come out ? is that usually in January maybe when we see core 2 duo on the MB ?
At 2:15 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I, too, am troubled about Mac quality. I have been the Mac IT guy at work for 18 years. I have always trusted Macs until recently. Our company purchased 6 G5 PowerMacs just before the Intel Macs came out. We obviously weren't an early adoptee. Two of them died completely within 10 days of each other. Dead motherboard on both of them. That's a 33% failure rate! It took a week to get the second one repaired. It took 2 weeks to get the first one repaired.
Apple, are you listening? This is completely unacceptable!
At 2:36 PM ,
Paul said...
I hate to say it, but your article mirrors my experience. I, too, have been a Mac user and enthusiast for years, (17 actually), and when the new MacBooks came out, I told my wife, my best friend, and three of my wife's business partners to buy MacBooks, rather than the PC laptops they planned to get.
So far my wife's MacBook has been returned after a fried motherboard, and she is about to return it to Apple again because of the discoloration problem.
One of my wife's business partners has had to return her MacBook for repairs because of screen problems, and my friend had to return his MacBook for repairs because of overheating problems.
So that's three out of five MacBooks which had serious problems, and one which is going to be sent back twice. So far.
It's embarrassing for me as well as inconvenient for them.
I have never known such poor build quality in any range of Macs I have come across.
And don't get me started on iPod reliability.
That said, I am saving up to buy a MacBook Pro (more fool me!)
At 3:01 PM ,
Anonymous said...
Well one quick and dirty workaround until you wait the hardware to become more reliable is to get PCs (Dell, etc) and simply load OS X on them. :-)
I have seen it loaded on many Dell PCs and it works just fine in most cases. I know it is not legal, etc etc. But if there is no other option (I am with you, your business needs to move ahead and cannot simply wait until Rev.B comes out) this may be a temporary solution.
At 6:56 PM ,
Anonymous said...
shadow9600 said:
>What is the percentage rate of >users who have a problem vs. those >who don't? We have no idea, it >could be 5%, it could be 15%, >unless you know how many systems go >out that need to come back in, you >can't make that statement >truthfully.
Well let us ask how many poeple are unsatisfied with their new mac computer, and compare with previous first Apple hardware release, and also with first release for other company?
I found it REALLY disappointed.
At 10:08 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I'm sorry about your experience with poor quality Macs. However, I still don't think that Macs in general are of poor quality, especially since recent mass surveys have found the opposite to be true. One thing you might consider next time you make a purchase is to buy a reconditioned machine from Apple. Yes, the selection is not guaranteed, but you will find iBooks as well as some newer hardware. I think that reconditioned machines tend to be more closely scrutinized and that perhaps Apple has gotten a second chance at getting things done right. I've only had good luck with them and I hope you have better luck too.
At 10:59 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I don't think the situation is nearly as bad as you say.
I have a MacBook and have zero problems with it. It's the best laptop I have ever had and I am very happy.
The shutdown issue has now been diagnosed by Apple: It requires a heat sink repair. Service centers can order this parts from Apple.
If you had some experience with PC hardware, you would loose your hair in a month.
At 1:07 AM ,
Anonymous said...
I'm not seeing your problem either.
We have been buying mostly MacBook Pros (about 30 of them so far) and have only had a problem with one of them which was fixed under warranty. We have also purchased a few iMacs and MacBooks but have not had any problems with those.
We were very carefull about upgrading to the new Intel Macs but our experience has been very good.
On a side note, we use Dells for our Windows computers and the quality of those computers have been horrible. We have the Dell technician out every week fixing something. We have about 180 Dells in our facility so this represents a huge failure rate. A third of our computers are Macs and are mostly laptops. We rarely need to get them serviced.
At 2:01 AM ,
Roger said...
Apple has had way too many hardware and software problems for two years or more. The latest software updates are cause me nightmares on my MDD G4.
I cannot nail the problems down. Since OSX 10.4.8 and the new QT and iTunes, I get Video artfacts, freezes and kernal panicks several times a day. I even installed a new hard drive and have the same problems.
Tommorow I will wipe the drive again and install OSX 10.4.4 while I hope for the best.
At 2:03 AM ,
Anonymous said...
Apple has had way too many hardware and software problems for two years or more. The latest software updates are cause me nightmares on my MDD G4.
I cannot nail the problems down. Since OSX 10.4.8 and the new QT and iTunes, I get Video artfacts, freezes and kernal panicks several times a day. I even installed a new hard drive and have the same problems.
Tommorow I will wipe the drive again and install OSX 10.4.4 while I hope for the best.
Roger
At 2:51 AM ,
Anonymous said...
First off: I am so sorry to hear about this! God is testing YOU in a deep Jobian (not Jobsian) way!
If I were in your shoes, I'd buy used Powerbook G4s pronto. For example, here's a bunch:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sys?query=powerbook%20%2Bg
Damn the resistance, damn the second-guessing, damn the ‘non-newness’ chatter, and damn the accounting-sniveling that ‘It’ll cost us too much!’. Bunk! It’ll cost your co. too much IF YOU DON’T! You need non-Rev A Macs pronto!
Buy enough PB G4s to cover your co.'s growth for the next 9 months. Mix in USED Powermac G5s, iMac G5s, when/where appropriate.
If possible/prudent, allow the co.'s finance dept(s) to go Windows PC. Many in those specific depts are deep-down anti-Mac, don’t want to learn how to WORK WITH this technology, and secretly and/or subconsciously wish for your pain and failure in this I.T. matter. Again, buy USED PC computers. Buy extra as some will be flaky. Here are some:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sys?query=windows%20%2Bpc%20%2Bxp%20%2Bdell
Zero in on your most passionate, staff-level, anti-Mac/PC-advocate in the finance dept. HE will be your first-level Windows support. You will need him! Get his job redefined so that he is working for YOU, with the explicit mandate to keep the PCs working.
Hammer your Apple rep as much as possible! Get him/her to move mountains to solve the problematic new Macs you have. Get him/her to bring you new Macs that work, to replace the ones that don’t! Threaten to feed your story to the anti-Mac tech websites.<-- Do this! It is a compelling story for Apple to face.
Good luck.
Oh yeah, one last suggestion: deep yoga breaths, periodically, that originate from the lower belly. It don’t look like it, but you will get through this.
At 2:56 AM ,
Anonymous said...
Sorry to hear about the grief, Mike. I have the luxury of waiting for Rev B or C; not everyone, and most certainly not most shops, does.
One thing this all underscores: the resale value of these Rev A Macbooks is going to be utter crap. They're a minefield, and no informed buyer is going to wade into it.
At 2:57 AM ,
Anonymous said...
First off: I am so sorry to hear about this! God is testing YOU in a deep Jobian (not Jobsian) way!
If I were in your shoes, I'd buy used Powerbook G4s pronto. For example, here's a bunch:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sys?query=powerbook%20%2Bg
Damn the resistance, damn the second-guessing, damn the ‘non-newness’ chatter, and damn the accounting-sniveling that ‘It’ll cost us too much!’. Bunk! It’ll cost your co. too much IF YOU DON’T! You need non-Rev A Macs pronto!
Buy enough PB G4s to cover your co.'s growth for the next 9 months. Mix in USED Powermac G5s, iMac G5s, when/where appropriate.
If possible/prudent, allow the co.'s finance dept(s) to go Windows PC. Many in those specific depts are deep-down anti-Mac, don’t want to learn how to WORK WITH this technology, and secretly and/or subconsciously wish for your pain and failure in this I.T. matter. Again, buy USED PC computers. Buy extra as some will be flaky. Here are some:
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sys?query=windows%20%2Bpc%20%2Bxp%20%2Bdell
Zero in on your most passionate, staff-level, anti-Mac/PC-advocate in the finance dept. HE will be your first-level Windows support. You will need him! Get his job redefined so that he is working for YOU, with the explicit mandate to keep the PCs working.
Hammer your Apple rep as much as possible! Get him/her to move mountains to solve the problematic new Macs you have. Get him/her to bring you new Macs that work, to replace the ones that don’t! Threaten to feed your story to the anti-Mac tech websites.<-- Do this! It is a compelling story for Apple to face.
Good luck.
Oh yeah, one last suggestion: deep yoga breaths, periodically, that originate from the lower belly. It don’t look like it, but you will get through this.
At 6:38 AM ,
Anonymous said...
Well I'm just a one man band and I have a few friends who have also gone like me to MacBook Pro's. Since April mine has run like dream and so have the others I know of.
But, clearly for just a few instances like the one quoted here, it will not do Apple any good. I believe that they have been having to ramp up production so fast to cope with demand the that component suppliers have been less focussed on quality control.
One thing is for sure, Apple won't allow it to continue like that for long.
At 10:52 AM ,
Anonymous said...
I agree with your article about how Apple's quality control seems to have gone downhill. I first noticed this with the "quad nostril" (Mirrored Drive Door G4) units. I have been an Apple tech for more than 20 years. I went 19 of those without every having to send back an Apple product for hardware repair. fully 50% of my quad nostril Macs needed warranty repairs.
I blame much of it on the pressure to continually produce cheaper Macs, and the switch to PC standard components. Apple computers used to be more expensive than a PC, but they also lacked the hardware issues. Now the price is the same, but you have the same quality issues. Quality costs money.
And that is my point: Switching to a PC platform will simply involve you in a new set of headaches, while leaving you stranded with the same hardware difficulties you get on the Mac (which now uses standard Intel chipsets, same as the PC manufacturers.). The fun part is that with the PC manufacturers, when you call tech support, you get the nice man in India who semi-intelligibly tells you that the problem is with Microsoft's OS. So you call Microsoft, and the nice man in India (probably a different man, but I'm never sure) semi-intelligibly tells you that the problem is with Dell (or HP, or Lenovo, or Alienware, or...), adding one more step to your hardware woes.
I think, from a business standpoint, as a tech who supports both, I'd still stick with all Macs if I already had all Macs.
At 9:01 AM ,
Anonymous said...
I really like my Macs. I switched about two years ago and haven't looked back. Since I switched, I have owned five macs. Of those five, four have needed replacement or hardware repair. My 12" PB was sent to Apple three times before they finally replaced it due to track pad issues. My MacBook Pro was replaced once due to countless hardware problems. Apple let me return my 2nd MacBook Pro out of the 14 day return time because of the significant bugs present in the 2nd one I had. I love my current MacBook. However, it is having the video flicker issue. Apple has already asked me to send it in for repair, I just haven't had time yet. No telling how long this roller coaster will take. My iMac had to have its power supply replaced. I have had no problems with my Mini.
In short, while I love my Apple products, I think that Apple could and should do a lot to improve their quality control. While Apple has stood behind the problems and done right by me, it has been at significant inconvenience on my part
At 3:44 PM ,
Anonymous said...
For the No-Video issue its a very simple fix. Reset the PRAM and change teh display resolution to anything other than your current resolution. Then reboot. You will have no more issues with it. And you can change your resolution back.
At 3:08 PM ,
Anonymous said...
I agree. Long time mac lover. But macbook replaced 3 times in for repair twice. I found Applecare variable with their willingness to fix problems that were essential to the functioning of the machine. I'm left exhausted and frustrated and much time lost as a scientist requiring a computer 24/7. I won't be buying anymore apple products when they first come out. Thanks for posting this, I think it is important that Apple realizes that the consumers are unhappy.
At 1:59 AM ,
Todd said...
I can add to the numbers of people who have had a bad experience with a Macbook. Mine is from around week 22, and exhibited the following problems:
- keyboard inconsistencies
- poorly functioning trackpad button
- random shutdowns
I went through two repair cycles, and after both repairs the random shutdowns returned. I make my living off this computer, so downtime is equal to no money coming in. The first repair took two weeks, the second a week and a half.
AppleCare was adamant that I lose another week minimum and go in for a third repair cycle, but I persisted and finally got through to someone who agreed that a replacement was in order. I've been reading good things about units produced after week 30. Here's hoping.
The kicker is that I still lose up to 14 business days for the new machine to be built (there is customization) and delivered. That's almost 3 work weeks, at most. I have my fingers crossed that it will be less time than that. And to top it off, Apple will not automatically transfer my extended AppleCare contract to the replacement machine. Instead I have to call them separately to do this by refunding and repurchasing, or by doing a transfer which would lose me 4 months of coverage on the new machine.
I can understand glitches in a new release, and these computers are awfully complicated machines. But what I can't understand is the utterly heartless support from Apple Canada. For them to accept a machine being in repair for some 20% of its lifetime so far basically tells me that my time is worthless to them, much less the stress of all my music, photos and livlihood sitting inside an erratic computer (I do have backups).
I'm still an Apple customer, but for a good long time I won't be the advocate I once was for their stuff.
At 11:47 AM ,
Anonymous said...
I am only in contact with two or three people who bought the early MacBooks, but none of them have had any of these issues. I think this is another "razorblade in the halloween candy" story that has gotten blown out of proportion.
At 4:26 PM ,
s said...
Well, without overall statistics difficult to know how many people are having problems with the Macbook and Macbook pro. From online comments certainly seems to be more than with earlier models, but don't know. So, posters giving their own good experience are a balance. What amazes me tho are posters criticizing the guy for buying the new machines. Guess that means longterm customers or new 'converts' who trusted Apple's reputation are the fools.
OK, newer products may have some more problems, but swelling batteries, grainy screens, random shutdowns..? IF that's widespread, it's a company not being careful enough, and taking that out on people who trusted them.
At 10:23 PM ,
Giant Vegan Female said...
Hey there Mac brethren. Sorry to intrude on your AM meeting and that things are not going too smoothly.
Anyway, what I wanted to say is, well, has anyone of you considered switching to Linux? It's just a harmless question.
I mean I'm sitting here with a free copy of Sidux which is licking an AsRock motherboard for 35 Euro, new! It makes me almost feel bad reading about your misery, because things are going quite well for me.
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